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		<title>By: Angela Watson</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1825</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you got some useful info from this thread--I did, too! The whole conversation has been very thought-provoking and insightful. How wonderful that your principal is interested in learning other people&#039;s opinions. Let us know what you all decide to do--I&#039;m sure the outcome will be fantastic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you got some useful info from this thread&#8211;I did, too! The whole conversation has been very thought-provoking and insightful. How wonderful that your principal is interested in learning other people&#8217;s opinions. Let us know what you all decide to do&#8211;I&#8217;m sure the outcome will be fantastic!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bogush</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1824</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bogush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct, in an ideal world...if kid&#039;s instinct for learning wasn&#039;t muzzled from day 1 and they came into 8th grade with spirit and desire, I could hand them my standards and tell them to see me in a month, and then spend the next 9 months doing some really neat things.  I know someone who is currently doing this.  Spends the first half of year covering the standards and nothing else, and then spends the second half of the year letting his kids be scientists.  
I have been in situations where kids are free to learn on their own, and it is hard to imagine that they will learn and grow without direct adult intervention...it is hardest to simply trust them.   I think the idea of empowering kids is one that is thrown around a lot in blog/twitter circles, but very few people have experienced it, or can imagine what it might look like in a class.  

After this post, I am totally beginning to side with some of your ideas above about what tech to buy...&quot;give teachers something they’re currently capable of using. Then help them develop the skills to use the tools in ways that allow kids to be creative and collaborative.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct, in an ideal world&#8230;if kid&#8217;s instinct for learning wasn&#8217;t muzzled from day 1 and they came into 8th grade with spirit and desire, I could hand them my standards and tell them to see me in a month, and then spend the next 9 months doing some really neat things.  I know someone who is currently doing this.  Spends the first half of year covering the standards and nothing else, and then spends the second half of the year letting his kids be scientists.<br />
I have been in situations where kids are free to learn on their own, and it is hard to imagine that they will learn and grow without direct adult intervention&#8230;it is hardest to simply trust them.   I think the idea of empowering kids is one that is thrown around a lot in blog/twitter circles, but very few people have experienced it, or can imagine what it might look like in a class.  </p>
<p>After this post, I am totally beginning to side with some of your ideas above about what tech to buy&#8230;&#8221;give teachers something they’re currently capable of using. Then help them develop the skills to use the tools in ways that allow kids to be creative and collaborative.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Paul: &quot;You are right that kids need to learn how to learn, but only because they have been taught how not to learn.&quot;

From Brent: &quot;Kids will learn on their own if given the chance. Kids don’t need to learn how to learn unless they’ve been severely damaged as they grew.&quot;

To you both; Kids will learn, yes. But will they all learn everything that&#039;s spelled out in the state standards? That&#039;s the task that teachers are charged with. 

In an ideal world, perhaps this conversation wouldn&#039;t be necessary. But teachers have to go into their existing classrooms tomorrow with their existing students from their existing backgrounds. In the real world, most kids (especially younger ones) need a great deal of support. They need tools to help them build background knowledge before they can be truly empowered to create. 

On a different note...We also have to look at teachers&#039; capabilities. Many are just becoming comfortable with technology and showing a short video via a computer and LCD projector is a huge step for them. If you want tech that&#039;s going to be used (and I agree with Heather  below that this is a primary criteria), then give teachers something they&#039;re currently capable of using. Then help them develop the skills to use the tools in ways that allow kids to be creative and collaborative. 

Tech-savvy teachers know about free tools to help kids create. If a school has a very limited tech budget (and don&#039;t they all?), why not purchase something that can be used to enhance learning in ALL classrooms?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Paul: &#8220;You are right that kids need to learn how to learn, but only because they have been taught how not to learn.&#8221;</p>
<p>From Brent: &#8220;Kids will learn on their own if given the chance. Kids don’t need to learn how to learn unless they’ve been severely damaged as they grew.&#8221;</p>
<p>To you both; Kids will learn, yes. But will they all learn everything that&#8217;s spelled out in the state standards? That&#8217;s the task that teachers are charged with. </p>
<p>In an ideal world, perhaps this conversation wouldn&#8217;t be necessary. But teachers have to go into their existing classrooms tomorrow with their existing students from their existing backgrounds. In the real world, most kids (especially younger ones) need a great deal of support. They need tools to help them build background knowledge before they can be truly empowered to create. </p>
<p>On a different note&#8230;We also have to look at teachers&#8217; capabilities. Many are just becoming comfortable with technology and showing a short video via a computer and LCD projector is a huge step for them. If you want tech that&#8217;s going to be used (and I agree with Heather  below that this is a primary criteria), then give teachers something they&#8217;re currently capable of using. Then help them develop the skills to use the tools in ways that allow kids to be creative and collaborative. </p>
<p>Tech-savvy teachers know about free tools to help kids create. If a school has a very limited tech budget (and don&#8217;t they all?), why not purchase something that can be used to enhance learning in ALL classrooms?</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Markus</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1822</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kids will learn on their own if given the chance. Kids don&#039;t need to learn how to learn unless they&#039;ve been severely damaged as they grew. We all are born naturally very curious, otherwise we wouldn&#039;t be walking or talking today. We innately know how to learn, but there are always tools that help that process.

As far as technology tools I&#039;m not sure how to help. Reading the above comments, tools like Brain Pop and Discovery Streaming sound far too expensive for what can be gotten out of them. For a social studies class, technology seems like a difficult question to me. How has technology been used in politics in the past? All I can really think of is the means of tallying votes and with the way representatives communicate with their people. It seems weird to bring those various technologies in the classroom and it also totally avoids the real question of &quot;what should we spend our limited funds on in order to facilitate learning?&quot; Sorry, I&#039;ve avoided the question so far. I think the real answer lies in Paul&#039;s response: &quot;something that will empower the kids&quot;. I&#039;m not sure what that answer is, but it seems like the only blanket answer that applies to every department is some sort of computing device with internet access for every kid in the class.

I&#039;d also like to say it&#039;s a teacher&#039;s job to guide and grow natural curiosity for whatever subject they are charged with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids will learn on their own if given the chance. Kids don&#8217;t need to learn how to learn unless they&#8217;ve been severely damaged as they grew. We all are born naturally very curious, otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t be walking or talking today. We innately know how to learn, but there are always tools that help that process.</p>
<p>As far as technology tools I&#8217;m not sure how to help. Reading the above comments, tools like Brain Pop and Discovery Streaming sound far too expensive for what can be gotten out of them. For a social studies class, technology seems like a difficult question to me. How has technology been used in politics in the past? All I can really think of is the means of tallying votes and with the way representatives communicate with their people. It seems weird to bring those various technologies in the classroom and it also totally avoids the real question of &#8220;what should we spend our limited funds on in order to facilitate learning?&#8221; Sorry, I&#8217;ve avoided the question so far. I think the real answer lies in Paul&#8217;s response: &#8220;something that will empower the kids&#8221;. I&#8217;m not sure what that answer is, but it seems like the only blanket answer that applies to every department is some sort of computing device with internet access for every kid in the class.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to say it&#8217;s a teacher&#8217;s job to guide and grow natural curiosity for whatever subject they are charged with.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Mason</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tool are just tools. I use both sites you mentioned to illustrate points for learners who won&#039;t get the info through reading. I also use them as models of ways to share info. 

We have laptops, but our WiFi never works and many teachers don&#039;t know what to do with them and aren&#039;t able to experiment. 

The best way to spend your money is in technology that will be used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tool are just tools. I use both sites you mentioned to illustrate points for learners who won&#8217;t get the info through reading. I also use them as models of ways to share info. </p>
<p>We have laptops, but our WiFi never works and many teachers don&#8217;t know what to do with them and aren&#8217;t able to experiment. </p>
<p>The best way to spend your money is in technology that will be used.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bogush</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1819</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bogush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right that kids need to learn how to learn, but only because they have been taught how not to learn.  There would be an adjustment period, and a need to &quot;teach&quot; kids how to use tech, but once their natural learning and curiosity kicks back in, I think we would see amazing results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right that kids need to learn how to learn, but only because they have been taught how not to learn.  There would be an adjustment period, and a need to &#8220;teach&#8221; kids how to use tech, but once their natural learning and curiosity kicks back in, I think we would see amazing results.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bogush</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1818</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bogush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a random thought after reading your comment...

One thing that gets lost in the tech conversation is that “good teaching” must come before “good tech.”  No one should ever have to decide what technology to use, the lesson, or unit should demand it.  We  can become an instant 1:1 school and nothing will change if we have a traditional mindset.  New tech cannot get integrated into our current teaching patterns and be effective.  Our teaching must change first.  Our trust in the learners must change first.  Tech simply magnifies the teacher’s personality…

Every class will never become who the teacher wants them to be, they will become who the teacher is.

We do have that role to help them understand the content, and I think that is where that &quot;good teaching&quot; comes in, and is missed by people who believe you can just through computers in front of kids and they will &quot;learn.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a random thought after reading your comment&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing that gets lost in the tech conversation is that “good teaching” must come before “good tech.”  No one should ever have to decide what technology to use, the lesson, or unit should demand it.  We  can become an instant 1:1 school and nothing will change if we have a traditional mindset.  New tech cannot get integrated into our current teaching patterns and be effective.  Our teaching must change first.  Our trust in the learners must change first.  Tech simply magnifies the teacher’s personality…</p>
<p>Every class will never become who the teacher wants them to be, they will become who the teacher is.</p>
<p>We do have that role to help them understand the content, and I think that is where that &#8220;good teaching&#8221; comes in, and is missed by people who believe you can just through computers in front of kids and they will &#8220;learn.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Baier</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1817</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Baier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can kids learn on their own if given the chance? Many will do just that without any nudging from us, but others don&#039;t quite know where to start. 

If we give them a cell phone they&#039;ll learn how to text and download apps, but will they find any apps that are educational?

If we give them free use of the Internet at school, they&#039;ll find their house on Google Maps, but will they research a class related topic?

With all the technology at their disposal, kids still need to learn how to learn. And many (most) times they need to be guided in the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can kids learn on their own if given the chance? Many will do just that without any nudging from us, but others don&#8217;t quite know where to start. </p>
<p>If we give them a cell phone they&#8217;ll learn how to text and download apps, but will they find any apps that are educational?</p>
<p>If we give them free use of the Internet at school, they&#8217;ll find their house on Google Maps, but will they research a class related topic?</p>
<p>With all the technology at their disposal, kids still need to learn how to learn. And many (most) times they need to be guided in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Watson</title>
		<link>http://blogush.edublogs.org/2011/03/14/are-there-other-things-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1816</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In our quest to have students creating, we cannot lose  sight of our responsibility to help them understand content. BrainPOP and Discovery Streaming can be used to help students build background knowledge prior to creating something of their own. This is especially important for younger students.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our quest to have students creating, we cannot lose  sight of our responsibility to help them understand content. BrainPOP and Discovery Streaming can be used to help students build background knowledge prior to creating something of their own. This is especially important for younger students.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabiz Raisdana (Intrepid Teacher)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabiz Raisdana (Intrepid Teacher)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love this line

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Putting technology into the hands of kids is as threatening to teachers, as protesters using the internet is to the regimes of dictators in the Middle East.  When it is not in the kids hands the teachers choose what they learn, how they learn it, what sources they will learn from, and the final product.  When a kid cannot conform to that, we create an IEP to force them to do what the teacher wants then to do.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this line</p>
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Putting technology into the hands of kids is as threatening to teachers, as protesters using the internet is to the regimes of dictators in the Middle East.  When it is not in the kids hands the teachers choose what they learn, how they learn it, what sources they will learn from, and the final product.  When a kid cannot conform to that, we create an IEP to force them to do what the teacher wants then to do.</p>
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